Okay , If this ever happed here. What would you guys think would be a fair entry fee. Keep in mind if you're a cheap ass and don't want to pay anything , you won't win anything. This fee would be on top of a camping fee.These fee's would be paying for insurance ,land rental ,the use of equipment to set a course up etc...
Thanks Clay

Ill start the bidding $100.00 would be fair if need be $150.00 should provide for great prizes if this happens our engine shop would be glad to be a sponsor.

We have no clue what your break even cost would be. Why don't you give us a ball park figure of what you would need to make it happen?
ie- how many entries needed at how much to cover cost plus winnings. Winnings should not be on the skimpy side. I am sure this would attract some sponsors.
Great idea.

Well .I'm not sure what the end cost would be . I just wanted to know what would not scare people away . Just as a ball park figure. Once I have that, we can figure how many trucks would be feesable, what sponsers would be needed etc.. I need somewhere to start . An associate is looking into insurance costs for the event, so I'll have that soon. I was thinkin around the 40 -50 mark. 100 would be fantastic but might be a bit much. It would be nice to involve a street and trail class , modified and super modified. Nothing in stone. We'll get into that later.right now all I want to know is what would you pay?

id pay $100

I think around a 100$ sounds fine for competitors, but could you also have a 5$ a head price for spectators? I would like to watch this if it is open for spectators, and if there is a street class I would try and enter. One other question is how would the contestants be chosen(vote, or just pay the fee and your in?) I would like to see this happen so if you need any help I will do what I can.

Okay .Picking the trucks .Thats another issue.But The viewers would be more than welcome .And the five bucks would help. Good idea. Thanks for the offer of help .I will probably be hitting you up on that. Keep the ideas rollin in here . The more the better. I know we all want an event like this. Here's the chance.

i can already see it "The Ghetto Fab Invitational"

whats the entrance fee to the TTC in the US?? should be able to get it close to it..and hell for somethin like that id probly wouldnt hesitate to get the cash to enter either.. that would be so sweet.

Um ,there is no entry fee in fourwheeler top truck. You go beat the shit out of your truck and they sell magazines with pic's of you doin it. So your entry fee is basicly the cost of your rig. And you get no prize money.

There is no entrance fee to the Four Wheeler in USA. You just have to get your ass down there if you get picked. Out of 72 semi finalists , 10 trucks are picked.
Promotes their rag. Prizes are not too impressive either. It's more of an "I did it thing"

BASTIGES....

$100 bucks sounds pretty fair to me!!
Any ideas on where (land) you could do this? Is it costly to rent somewhere like that?
Is an awsome idea, my bet is you have to beat people away who want to enter, I am sure there would be a huge interest in this!!

Have the land .Yes racing is allowed. No neighbors to complain. I've got to get some basics down before I get side tracked though. I was thinkin every couple of days I'll through out issues and you guys give me feed back. Hows that sound. There would be camping facilities as well for spectators. that would help pay for some of the costs .I'd like most of the entrance fee's to go towards the winnings.

Five bucks to get in is a super price...throw in a wet t-shirt contest and charge Fifteen

Personally, I think $5 is way too low to watch. You can't go to a movie for $5, at lots of bars $5 doesn't even buy you a drink. This event would have to be a full weekend to do all the events...whats a weekends worth of entertainment worth? To charge $100 to participate and $5 to watch, that doesn't seem right. $20-$30 for a weekend spectator pass doesn't seem too unreasonable to me....I do like the wet T shirt contest idea though! You could crown a "Miss Ghetto Fab"

I dunno 100 bucks sounds high to me. 40 bucks sounds better. If you have a purpose built vehicle and are sonsored then 100 bucks might seem ok but high for the average joe that wants to try out his wheeler. I have been told I should try some of the tuff truck comps but if I knew it was a 100 dollar entry fee I would walk the other way. 40 bucks I might enter.

Just me 2cents

Just let me know I might be able to get some equiptment for free =) and I might also be able to get a couple of military rigs out to show off as well.

Also if we do this we have to try and invite AL from Canadian4x4 I know he would be all over this.

I would play too =) just not a rock crawler with the long wheelbase though... =)

I say a hundy is a little low ...you want a serious comptition and atrract some serious Iron to an event like this the entry fee I say should be at least double that ....

Lets face it ...yer only gonna have ten or fifteen trucks that are serious and make this a viable compition over say two days of events .... lets face it If Twister is organizing it ...its gonna be more than just going around in circles over some whopty dos ...I'm thinking a rock garden, Frame twister, .... essiencially based on the Four Wheeler Rags comp ...only with some better ...more realistic events... not a 0-60-0 event

to have a santioned event you must get Event insurance ...Cheapest I seen is about 1400 bux per event ...so out of 10 trucks at 200 each ...that leaves 600 bones prize money ....Not worth it

Just some things to consider

I dont know Clayton very well ...but i do think I know him a little ..... He aint into doin the Saddle dome bullshit when he comes up with an idea like this

ya wanna pay 40 bux to test yer truck ...go to the street warriors

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or pay $60 and go to HRC and get nothin

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if you don't count - meals, entertainment, and thousands $$$ in give-aways

another idea for helping out with the cost of this event would be food conccession stands.possible have people film and then put together a tape for promo sales.if you need some prices for food items let me know.

I'd enter for a $100 to $150 but you would have to consider those with families and figure out a family rate for weekend camping. Or a combined family/competitor camping/entry rate.

okay this is good. Everyones Ideas are great . Thanks . Hey Choda leave the hrc alone.Not the same thing. That is a challenge this is a competition. well I throw another question out monday . Just have to figure out the order in which to ask the questions.

I think the prices sound fine. $100 - $150 / Truck and at least $10 for spectators. And I would be more than willing to give you a hand twister. Let me know what you need done.

Just a note on truck selection it would be cool to have a dedicated show and shine where the spectators at the show and shine would pick the trucks that go. kind of like a peoples choice ballot.

Yeah, i think 5$ is a little, low, I was just getting the idea out for the spectator thing. The show and shine whould be great, but then you have a whole other event to organize. Could just have it internet based, ie, go to modern/extreme/where ever. get a ballot form for some $, then this would allow you to post your rig on the site, with specifications and such. Then people visiting the site could simply vote for their top ten choices or whatever, via e-mail, on-line pole, or something along the lines of that. You get a little extra $ with the fee for the right to put your rig on it, plus it will limit the amount of people signing up that will back out later. Clayton, where abouts is the land you have?

If your ever serious, and have a location, this could be a huge success. The Three hills mud bog had a $45.00 entry fee, $5.00 spectator fee. We had 45 competitors, we covered all our expenses, trophies, and with the help of a great sponsor (Mike!) we where able to offer a good purse for the competitors. It's not thet hard to put one of these together if you have a good location. Build it and they will come!

Clayton, i think that you'll have to get your expenses understood and then the payout you'd like to have. That should help dictate the entry fee.

As well, having multiple classes means more payouts. Instead you can have two classes, like stock modified and super modified (IE Open) and then pay out from 1-3 or 1-5 with larger payouts.

It will be interesting if you have classes how to score the events (and which events you'd choose)

Here's what I think the fans would like to see:

1. Rock Crawl
2. Tank Trap Trail
3. Obstical Course

It would be hard on a day/weekend to do more than 2 or three events, so I would recommend a combo tank/trap/obstical course with rocks. That would be a great spectator friendly and venue friendly event.

Set up a course that is scored on distance/time, which has rockcrawl, mud holes, off camber sections, obstical course, hills etc. etc. etc.

Plus is shouldn't be too hard to have 70% of the course common and 30% different for the two classes.

I'll offer to help set up the course.

Have tandems, trailers, bobcats, rollers, water trucks etc etc for hire...cheap . before spring that is.

hate to argue, but your average person would say 10.00 to watch trucks drive around? screw that. 5 yah.
its all about advertising.
your average wheeler, would pay 20.00 to watch though, depends what you want it to be.

of course your trailer trucks/class would be more for entry and your street class would have to be less with of course lower prizes as well.

I couldnt imagine the cost to set up a rockcrawl course in a field.

Yes a higher entry fee will bring the serious rigs...keep out the hockey puck lifts (ohhhhhhhhhhhhh sorry Ghetto fab'ers) But then again that is the sort of competition people will want to pay $$$ to see, right?

If your thinking overnight camping...how about a beer garden with a raunchy rock/country type band?? More head aches to set up and licence but there is good income for prizes from beer sales.

You could of course have the wet t-shirt contest at the beer garden or mud wrestling, something not politically correct.

Really good money to be made in a beer garden...just an idea.

Okay Tim .yup you're right . I just wanted to know the limits people would pay.The reason nothing ever happens in canada is there are no large companies that will sponser . the states unfortunatly has so many people money is not an issue. I'll be calling you for your idea's . I was thinking along the same line as far as combination rocks, twister ,maybe little mud pit. There will more than likely be an obstical course as well as a drag. I'll talk about this later. Time is tight and this is the first year. so we will have alot to figure out. If things go how I want, it will be boulders in a gully over a berm into a frame twister , off camber up the gully wall into a watery ditch . somethin like that. Yes I am serious. It's not just me ,it's a whole group of people. I just got stuck takin care of it. Not that I mind.

By the way, as a highrider ,if anyone else comments negatively about the HRC .I will personaly kick your ass. It's a good time ,it's organized and the wheelin community needs more stuff like it. No bad mouthin events.

Why would you take a cheap shot at a an event you've never attended?

We had a great time and would highly recommend it

thats GHETTO for ya.

I think the fee is resonable. It should be open to almost anyone who would like to give it a shot. I think it should be a fun compition. It shouldn't be just for the big rigs. Some people would like to just try it. They would still pay the fee so you wouldn't loose out on any money..... (I was wounding if I can enter even though Im not realy clased as a truck ... I would be more then happy to help out in the set up)

I agree with the beer garden, the couple of ball tourny's I've been involved with made a KILLING at the "licensed" beer garden. It's all about the beer sales.

ok apparently the beer gaurden is hard to do because of the liability with the motorsport aspect. And we're workin on the letting everyone who pays enter idea .Its the time frame thing. If we can pull it off it'll happen. again we'll address this in the next week or two. keep watchin and I'll post as the issues come up.
Here we go. The entry fees are paid out in winnings.
Camping fees , 50/50 tickets ,
raffle tickets (sponsers=prizes)
and what ever else we can come
up with will help pay for the expences.
Expenses NOT MY DEPARTMENT SO DON'T ASK ME

What I do know about the expenses is they're expensive.
what are they? 1) sound equipment
2) land rental
3)insurance
4)porta potties
5) some equipment to move obsticals
6)possibly some obsticals
6a) Beer for the volunteers(ya right)
7) a butt load of other crap that I am
unaware of as of yet.
Now from what I understand if you charge people to watch there's a liability. So if you come watch, buy raffle tickets or 50/50 tickets to help support that event. You don't have to, but if you don't there won't be another event.
So I am assuming the entry fee could be set between 60 to 100 dollars. Is this agreed? If so we'll start a new thread monday with a new issue. Remember the entry fee goes to the winners. I love the input guys. Talk to you all later .

Please make sure that the fees do not prohibit the family guy from going. It is very easy for singles and couples to decide how much they could pay to go to an event, but when you are a single income family of five it changes everything.

Just something to think about, before you nail down a name for this contest, maybe you might check if "Top Truck" is trademarked by fourwheeler mag. Last thing you'd want is a pencilpushin lawyer on your ass after you pull of a great weekend.

Clay - You are doing a great Job here.

The Highriders are with you 100%. We are currently seeking a sponsor for the HR "TOP TRUCK" Invitational.... If you are really serious about putting together a world class event then we are with you. You have the experience and support of the entire HR club behind you. Tell me what you need and we will do what we can to make it happen.

Let's have an INTERNATIONAL EVENT IN ALBERTA!!!!

Okay 404. If your kids aren't racing I don't think it'll be that expensive .It is a family event . And it's not going to be named TTC .The names bein thought of . And I am serious. I kinda was hopin the highriders would be in. Thanks guys .

Nothing you guys are talking about are new, there are some serious setback that come along when you dream up an event like this. As a former member of a now defunk offroad club I can shed some light on some issues we had when we did what you are trying again. Ask the Groundpounders about the logistics of their event. I approached the organizers of the Wild Rose area once thinking that an event held within the city limits would really bring out the spectators and ultimatly sponcers but what a tough crowd they were, I considered it a waste of my time. One thing you have to understand if you are organizing it YOU " twister " will probably not be able to race as YOU will have no time while YOU are keeping hell from breaking loose. The best would be a commitee that gets together to get this going. Do not try to do it YOURSELF as YOU will only miss out and there will be hard feelings later. Keep in mind this whole thing is a chiken and egg thing. The best will only come to a spectacular event that has a track record but how do you get a track record without the best? Start small with lower expectations and you will not be dissappointed. The events we held with the club were always fun and at the end we even had some money left ( thank god for volunteers ). Can we say donation to the AURS ?

DUH. Misread the post. I was thinking tuff truck not top truck. Makes a difference in the entry fee in my opinion. I would say 100 to 150 bucks would be ok. It would keep the competition a little more stiff.

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Okay 404. If your kids aren't racing I don't think it'll be that expensive .It is a family event .

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Ok, ~150 to complete, 5 X ~20 to spectate, say ~50 for camping = $300

for a weekend? Sorry I am out

I know of a perfect location near Irricanna Ab. Remember White Knight? The land is owned by a big corp. and would be relitvely easy to get permission to hold such an event there.

Great post...there is some good ideas out there.Here are some random thoughts....

-Enterance Fee- I would stick with $100. If you are splitting up classes, do it $100 for pro and $50 for sportsman.

-Admission Fee- I would say $10 per person, kids under 12 free. 2 day pass $15. Camping $10. You do not want to scare your specators away.

-You are going to need a wack of volunteers!!! People that you can count on. How about having a cub/scout club or a youth hockey/baseball team work the gate, for a small percentage? That would save a lot of work.

-You are right about not being able to have a beer garden at a motorsport event. I have never considered doing it at one of my events for a few reasons. While it does pay a lot of money, I do not see it being worth the problems of dealing with drunken idiots. Just ask the organizers of Monster Jam in Vancouver how they feel about serving beer. Not only do you have people causing problems at the event, they cause it on the way home by driving home. Personally, I do not see why people have to drink to watch a motorsport event.

-Which brings up another point. First aid. You will need St. Johns or somebody. Most of them accept donations.

-Cost of building the track etc must be taken into account. Hopefully you can get enough volunteer and sponsored work that it will not cost you much.

-Make sure that the spectators can see, but make sure that they are far enough away. There was a rock crawl style event here this summer where specators were within 3 feet of the vehicles! Insane.

-Fire extinguishers...get as many as you can.

-Porta Potties..make sure that they are cleaned out at least once a day and have as many as possible in as many areas as possible. And have a few that are ladies only. They seem to appreciate that for some reason.

-Permits-Is this land ok for an event like this? Even if there is no neighbours, some power happy guy at the lands office may not like it.

-Insurance is going to be one of your biggest costs. I have talked to bigtoyfreak a little about this. Prices have risen at an incredible rate over the last year. The rally guys are paying 3 times what they were last year and have had no claims. I gave bigtoyfreak info on insurance.

-Promotions-This is severly underdone for most 4x4 eveents, especially here in Ontario. It is, by far, one of the most important things you can do. Flyers are free...have them at the 4x4 shops. Hand them out at the Jeep Show & Shine, put your truck at all other shows and hand out flyers. Put them up at bulliten boards all around town..safeway etc. Give them to every automotive based company in lower Alberta. Get Deano to get CJAY involved. Take out a small ad in the buy and sell. It cost me a few hundred dollars when I put on the 4x4 swap meet. Promote Promote Promote. There is lots of message boards and club websites in Alberta, BC and Sask.

-Water Truck-Knowing where you are thinking about, I suggest making sure that a water truck is available. It can get dusty and nothing pisses people off more.

-Talk to the weather god and make sure that he is understanding that you want a nice sunny day..not too hot, no rain, but a little breeze.

Those are my thoughts for now..I am sure that I will have more to add soon.

hmmm 404. did you read my last post? I don't think we can charge for spectators. there for 5x0 =0 + 100 for entry+50 for camping= 150 . And Boog before you jump on the band wagon of YOU can' pull this off .and YOU don't know what you're getting yourself into and I can shed some light on this , this is nothing new...... Read my former posts.I am not doing this by myself WE have the land ,it is happening and this is through a club. hopefully several other clubs. I do know about land and how hard it is to get permission to race. This land already holds events and has for several years. This is NEW because it's gonna happen . The reason this event WILL happen, is because there are MANY people who want it to. and if I don't get to compete because I'm too busy, I'm sure someone will drive my truck. Trust me I know the pit falls.Everyone is always saying why this type of thing CAN'T happen. Yet it happens in victoria ,ontario hell they have a freestyle tuff truck event in medicine hat.Thats crazy. But it is still put on. No more PESIMISSOM. Wess thanks for the input. Me or Bigtoy will be chattin with ya again soon.
Clay


I love it when people say I can't .That just means no matter what I will. Ask my mom.

good job twister. my family has held the canadian motorcross championships at our place where we built a track for the dirtbikes. Liability is why we have not had another since then. the insurance was expensive. that said if i can help let me know i volunter in advance. my understanding is by not charging admmission for spectators you are not as liable for any injuries they incure. 50/50, raffle, food concessions are the way to raise money. advertise- anybody on this board who is serious about wanting to see this happen should have no problem putting up posters and or handing out flyers at there place of work/buisness.

My bro is into really nice graphix designing. I could possibly try and help out with posters, banners, maybe even as far as clothing.. pretty much any advertising i could help with.

Amen to offroadaction btw.

Clayton, can you be my role model?? hahaha. It sounds like you have been planning this for a while. I do know this has been tried before but this time maybee there will be enough interest to make it happen. I was wondering about where the land is for the event? If it is reasonably close to me i will be more then happy to work on anyhting in my spare time. I will do what I can and if it is not close I will try to make some time to be out helping anyways. I would be pleased to post flyers as far as lethbridge, and anything else. I am a full time student at uofc but I still have some time if it is needed. Clayton, you seem like the right guy for the job.

this sounds like an awsome idea 100 bucks sounds reasonable depending on your costs where is the land is it that place south of chain lakes and when will it be held I would love to try in my 35ed 02 chev and would love to help you out any way I can

$100 or so sounds fine to me too Clayton..

And let me know if there is anything I can do to help...

hey thanks. I will definitly be calling . I'm gonna need the help

Have bobcat will travel

so um is this a go then?

LOL! So are you tryin to piss off the drywall guy again?

Very Good !!